bollman

For anyone wondering: we have today confirmed that "the other" update is actually a copy of Manne's update. Every update we make is unique, so by looking at a hard drive from, ahem, "someone else", it was pretty obvious.

The 2018 update is history. 2021 maps is what is being sold at the moment. No difference. "We" (Manne's) will soon start to offer the map update from a workshop in the Netherlands (DionHPT).

There are no 2021 maps. The latest map data is from march 2020, which is what we use. The maps were made available in December 2020, and the update for SAAB was made available in January 2021, so, that's why the update is called 2021. It's the name of this thread that is inaccurate, and I cannot really do anything about that since I'm not the OP.

Or just send your drive in ;)

We are now live with mail-in service! We upgrade your drive so you can keep music, places, and other things on your drive. Link to more info on how is at the bottom of this page: http://www.mannesbilservice.se/tjanster/nya-kartor-till-saab-9-5-2010-2011/

Great! It may be that it's only the other way around that totally breaks the unit, that is, trying to make a EU-unit from US-unit. (U803 to E800)

As you all probably have figured out: COVID-19 really messed this up. We have had no way of travel either to Holland nor Germany. BUT, we have not been sitting still We now have the 2021 update ready with 2 year newer maps! Also, we are trying to set up a "mail in service". We have published a video detailing how to remove the drive from the car: We will return with more information about packaging the drive for safe transport to Sölvesborg where it will be backed up, updated and then sent back. Our tests show that it is possible to use the car with no drive, although it would be best to leave power off during the update. Stay tuned for more information!

Late to the game, but if you updated a E800 with U803 update you have messed up. The updates differ because they are for different hardware! U-updates are for USA-units and E-updates for Europe-units. Afaik, there's no way to "sidegrade" between E- and U-updates so you might have to replace your navi-unit unfortunately :(

I'm really sorry that we haven't been able to arrange a way to come down to Germany and update cars. We are at the moment looking at making the update available through a dealer in Holland, so, perhaps it won't be necessary to come to Sweden at least. Since the process is not as easy as, let's say, doing Hirsch upgrades, it's nothing that can be done by any dealer. We will have to provide hardware, and I've been working on automating the process as much as possible to eliminate possible errors, but it's a bit fiddly, to say the least. If for nothing else, springtime is coming and we know there are lots of cars that want the update so we might still plan a trip to Germany. Every update takes little over an hour to perform since we do the backup of the full 40GB drive, we can do about 15 cars per day using to programming stations. I promise I will keep you guys updated! And, as alway, if you can't wait, you can always drive to beautiful Sweden ;)

There's no flashing involved. The difficult part is to unlock the hard drive. It's not in any way NSA-strength security, but old-school enough that most modern computers can't handle it. The map upgrade is then not really that difficult, but it's way too easy to make a mistake and ruin the other data on the hard drive. So, it's mostly down to finding equipment old enough to be able to unlock the hard drive, and new enough to handle modern OSes so that it can handle the big files of the map upgrade. Also, since I haven't been able to automate the upgrade process fully, there's quite the risk to let too many people do this. Mostly due to if "the shit hits the fan", you'd want someone with resources responsible so that it can be resolved.

When it comes to available maps, we're restricted to whatever gets published by Denso that are (somewhat) compatible with the SAAB navi. We have focused on the main Europe set of maps which includes the following countries: "Albania, Andorra, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxemburg, Macedonia F.Y.R.O., Moldova, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom, Vatican City State" There are also these sets of maps published that potentially could be used instead: Russia: "Belarus, Estonia, Finland, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine" Middle East: "Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirate" South Africa: "Botswana, Eswatini, Lesotho, Mozambique, Namibia, South Africa" South East Asia: "Malaysia, Singapore" Turkey: "Turkey" Interestingly enough, there are 2 different map set including Turkey; with or without the rest of Europe. According to the documentation, the main Europe set of maps are illegal in Turkey, I have no idea why. If anyone would like a different set of maps than the main Europe one, I could look into making an update including those maps. What I would like to be able to do is to include all these sets into the update. There is enough room on the hard drive, but it's very, very difficult to extract the maps from one set and include in another.

FYI, I am in contact with the moderators and will of course follow their decision on where a thread will be positioned on the forum. About pilots wanted in Kiel, I think we will visit Germany a lot sooner.

I'm guessing that will be in June 2020, at which time we might have even newer maps available. We expect to make a trip rather soon and might go a bit further down in Germany since we will be driving to Holland.

Hallo Freunden im Deutschland! Ich bin der Computerfreak diese update für Manne's gemacht hat. And now, over to English. Although I understand German and should be able to write it, I haven't done so in many years so I will not let you have the pleasure of laughing at all my grammatical errors. I hope you are ok with reading English, and I'll keep it simple so Google translate should work for anyone not comfortable with English. I'm here to answer your questions as I know many have a lot of questions regarding the update but no, I will not tell you how to do it yourself ;) This update has consumed considerable amount of time to make, and it requires some unusual hardware to pull off, so it's not for everyone. Also, Manne's being an authorized service center have the resources and tools to solve any problems that might arise from the update. We are aware that not everyone wants to drive all the way to Sölvesborg for the update so we are looking into making a road trip through parts of Europe to be able to cater to as many as possible. Holland is on the list, and it seems Germany should be on it too. We are at the moment building another rig which is more mobile than the current setup. As soon as we are done with that, we will start looking into places and dates. In the meantime, feel free to ask questions about the update and by all means, the unit itself. I have acquired quite a lot of info about it during my work. I'll answer all questions to the best of my knowledge. //bollman (or Patrik, which is my real name)