Hallo,

 

seit einigen Tagen, also eigentlich seit einem Werkstattaufenthalt mit Zylinderkopfdichtungswechsel und Kettenwartung etc. blinkt "Check Engine" nach einschalten der Zündung einmal lang und dann dreimal kurz.

Dabei läuft der Motor im Lehrlauf unruhig, beim Hochdrehen allerdings stabil. Auch der Durchzug und der Verbrauch sind normal. Kerzen sind vor Kurzem gewechselt worden.

 

Kennt jemand die Bedeutung dieses Fehlercodes?

 

Vizilo

Laut Saabnet FAQ (http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/faq/lhoverview.html)

3 x Blinken: Ansaugluft Temperatur Sensor.

 

Ansich müsste der Motor mit dem Fehler aber nicht mehr so gut laufen.

 

Gruß

Stephan

oder so!

 

[9000] ECU fault codes and how to read them.

Contributed by Andrew

 

A guide to pulling fault codes for all models of electronically fuel injected Saabs to 1998. The guide also has a list of fault codes and their meaning. Guide is broken down by type of ECU/Fuel Injection.

 

Contents

 

Index of vehicles

Self-Diagnosis

Introduction

Self-Diagnosis connector location

Retrieving fault codes without a fault code reader (FCR) - flash codes

Clearing fault codes without a fault code reader (FCR)

Actuator testing without a fault code reader (FCR) - Bosch LH2.4 only

Self-Diagnosis with a fault code reader (FCR)

Guide to test procedures

Fault code tables

 

Index of vehicles

 

Model Engine code Year System

900i 16V DOHC B202i 1989 to 1990 Lucas 14CU LH-Jetronic

900 Turbo 16V DOHC B202 2S 1988 to 1990 Lucas 14CU LH-Jetronic

900 2.0 16V DOHC cat B202 2L 1989 to 1993 Lucas 14CU LH1-Jetronic

900i 16V DOHC cat B202i 1990 to 1993 Lucas 14CU LH-Jetronic

900S Turbo cat B202i 1990 to 1993 Lucas 1 4CU LH-Jetronic

900 2.Oi 16V DOHC B202i 1993 to 1997 Bosch Motronic 2.10.2

900 Turbo 16V DOHC B202i 1994 to 1997 Saab Trionic

900i 16V DOHC B206i 1994 to 1997 Bosch Motronic 2.10.2

900i 1 6V DOHC B204L 1994 to 1997 Bosch Motronic 2.10.2

900 2.3i 16V DOHC B234i 1993 to 1997 Bosch Motronic 2.10.2

900 2.5i 24V DOHC B258i 1993 to 1997 Bosch Motronic 2.8.1

9000i 1 6V cat B202i 1988 to 1993 Bosch LH2.4-Jetronic

9000 and CD16 B202 1991 to 1993 Bosch LH2.4.2-Jetronic

9000 16V cat B202 1988 to 1993 Bosch LH2.4-Jetronic

9000 Turbo 16 B202 1991 to 1993 Bosch LH2.4.2-Jetronic

9000 Turbo 16 cat B202 1989 to 1993 Bosch LH2.4-Jetronic

9000 2.Oi cat B204i 1994 to 1997 Saab Trionic

9000 2.0 Turbo cat B204S 1994 to 1997 Saab Trionic

9000 2.0 Ecopower B202S 1992 to 1993 Bosch LH2.4-Jetronic

9000 2.0 Turbo Intercooler B204L 1994 to 1997 Saab Trionic

9000i 2.3 cat B234i 1990 to 1991 Bosch LH2.4.1-Jetronic

9000i 2.3 cat B234i 1991 to 1993 Bosch LH2.4.2-Jetronic

9000 2.3i cat B234i 1994 to 1997 Saab Trionic

9000 2.3 Turbo cat B234L 1994 to 1997 Saab Trionic

9000 2.3 Turbo cat B234R 1994 to 1997 Saab Trionic

9000 2.3 Turbo cat B234R 1993 Saab Trionic

9000 2.3 Turbo cat B234L 1991 to 1993 Bosch LH2.4-Jetronic/Saab Direct Ignition

9000 2.3 Ecopower LIP Turbo B234E 1994 to 1997 Saab Trionic

9000 3.0 24V DOHC B308i 1995 to 1997 Bosch Motronic 2.8t

 

 

Self-Diagnosis

Introduction

 

The engine management systems fitted to Saab vehicles are Lucas 14CU, Bosch 2.8.1 and 2.10.2, Saab Trionic and Saab Direct Ignition (with Bosch LH 2.4.1 and 2.4.2 fuel injection). Bosch Motronic controls fuel Injection, ignition and idle functions from within he same control module. Saab Trionic controls the ignition, fuel injection, idle and turbo boost pressure. Saab Direct Injection controls ignition and Turbo boost alone. Lucas 14CU and Bosch LH fuel injection systems control fuel injection and idle functions alone.

 

Self-Diagnosis (SD) function

Each ECM (electronic control module) has a self-test capability that continually examines the signals from certain engine sensors and actuators, and then compares each signal to a table of programmed values. If the diagnostic software determines that a fault is present, the ECM stores one or more fault codes in the ECM memory. Codes will not be stored about components for which a code is not available, or for conditions not covered by the diagnostic software. Saab models generate either 2- or 5-digit fault codes, which may be retrieved either by fault code reader (all systems) or by manual means as flash codes (all except Saab Trionic and Saab Direct Ignition).

 

Limited operating strategy (LOS)

Saab systems featured in this Chapter utilise LOS (a function that is commonly called the “limp-home mode”). Once certain faults have been identified (not all faults will initiate LOS), the ECM will implement LOS and refer to a programmed default value rather than the sensor signal. This enables the vehicle to be safely driven to a workshop/garage for repair or testing. Once the fault has cleared, the ECM will revert to normal operation.

 

 

Adaptive or learning capability

Saab systems also utilise an adaptive function that will modify the basic programmed values for most effective operation during normal running, and with due regard to engine wear.

 

Self-Diagnosis (SD) warning light

Saab models are equipped with an SD (Check Engine) warning light located within the instrument panel. Some fault conditions will illuminate the light during normal engine operation, and the ECM will need to be interrogated to determine if fault codes are indeed stored in ECM fault memory.

 

 

Self-Diagnosis connector location

 

Bosch Motronic and Saab Trionic

The 16-pin SD connector for FCR use and manual code retrieval is located either under the facia on the driver’s side above the foot pedals (see illustration 29.1) or under the passenger’s seat.

 

Lucas I4CU

The 3-pin SD connector is for FCR use and manual code retrieval, and is located in the engine compartment, adjacent to the heater air intake.

 

Bosch LH2.4, 2.4.1,2.4.2

The SD connector for FCR use and manual code retrieval is situated in one of the following locations: under the rear seat, in the engine compartment, or in front of the gear selector.

 

Saab Trionic and Saab Direct Ignition

The SD connector is black, and is located close to the ECM under the right-hand front seat.

 

Retrieving fault codes

without a fault code reader (FCR) - flash codes

 

Note: During the course of certain test procedures, it is possible for additional fault codes to be generated.

Care must be taken that any codes generated during test routines do not mislead diagnosis. All codes must be cleared once testing is complete.

 

Lucas I4CU

I Attach an accessory switch between the SD connector and earth (see illustration 29.2).

2 Switch on the ignition and the SD warning light will illuminate.

3 Immediately close the accessory switch. The SD warning light will extinguish and then illuminate for one short flash.

4 Immediately open the accessory switch.

5 The SD warning light will display the 5-digit fault codes as follows:

a) The five digits are indicated by five series of flashes.

b) The first series of flashes indicates the first digit, the second series of flashes indicates the second digit, and so on until all five digits have been flashed.

c) Each series consists of a number of flashes separated by short pauses. Each integer (whole number) in the range 1 to 9 is represented by a number of short flashes, and each zero is represented by a longer flash.

d) A pause separates each series of flashes.

e) The code number “12232” is indicated by a flash, a short pause, two flashes, a short pause, two flashes, a short pause, three flashes, a short pause and two flashes. A long flash is displayed at the beginning and end of each code.

6 Count the number of flashes in each series, and record each code as it is transmitted. Refer to the tables at the end of the Chapter to determine the meaning of the fault code.

7 To retrieve the next code, close the accessory switch and wait for the SD warning light to flash once.

8 Immediately open the accessory switch, and the SD warning light will display the next 5-digit fault code.

9 Repeat the procedure until all fault codes have been retrieved.

10 If a return to the first code is required, close the accessory switch and wait for the SD warning light to flash twice, then immediately open the accessory switch. The first code will be transmitted again.

11 Five long flashes indicates that all the fault codes have been retrieved, or that no codes are stored.

12 Turn off the ignition and remove the accessory switch to end fault code retrieval.

 

Bosch LH 2.4, 2.4.1, 2.4.2

13 Attach an accessory switch between the SD connector and earth (see illustrations 29.2 to 29.4).

14 Switch on the ignition, and the SD warning light will illuminate and then extinguish.

15 Close the accessory switch. The SD warning light will illuminate for one short flash.

16 Immediately open the accessory switch.

17 The SD warning light will display the 5-digit fault codes in the same way as described for the Lucas 14CU system (see paragraphs 5 to 12).

 

Bosch Motronic 2.8.1 and 2.10.2

18 Attach an accessory switch between pin 6 of the 16-pin SD connector and earth.

19 Switch on the ignition.

20 Close the accessory switch for between 1 and 4 seconds.

21 Open the switch, the SD warning light will now illuminate for 2.5 seconds, extinguish and then flash to indicate the 2-digit fault codes as follows:

a) The two digits are indicated by two series of flashes.

b) The first series of flashes indicates the multiples of ten, the second series of flashes indicates the single units.

c) A 1-second flash followed by a 0.5-second inteival indicates fault codes in tens. After a 1.5-second pause, a 1-second flash followed by a 0.5-second interial indicates units.

d) Code number “12” is indicated by one 1second flash, followed by a 1.5-second pause, then two 1-second flashes with a 0.5-second pause.

e) A 2-second pause separates the transmission of each individual code.

22 Count the number of flashes in each series, and record each code as it is transmitted. Refer to the tables at the end of the Chapter to determine the meaning of the fault code.

23 Turn off the ignition and remove the accessory switch to end fault code retrieval.

 

Saab Trionic and Saab Direct Ignition

24 Fault codes can only be retrieved with the aid of a dedicated fault code reader.

 

Clearing fault codes without a fault code reader (FCR)

 

Bosch LH 2.4,2.4.1,2.4.2

1 Retrieve codes from the ECM by the methods described in Section 3.

Note: The ECM memory can be cleared only after all codes have been transmitted and the five long flashes have been displayed.

2 Close the accessory switch, and wait for the warning light to flash three times. Open the accessory switch. The memory has now been cleared of all fault codes.

 

All other systems

3 Disconnect the battery negative terminal for five minutes.

4 Reconnect the battery negative terminal.

Note: The first drawback to this method is that battery disconnection will re-initialise all ECM adaptive values.

Re-learning the appropriate adaptive values requires starting the engihe from cold, and driving at various engine speeds for approximately 20 to 30 minutes. The engine should also be allowed to idle for approximately 10 minutes. The second drawback is that the radio security codes, clock setting and other stored values will be initialised, and these must be re-entered once the battery has been reconnected. Where possible, an FCR should be used for code clearing.

 

Actuator testing without a fault code reader (FCR) - Bosch LH2.4 only

 

Bosch LH 2,4 only

(1989 Saab 900 T16 automatic)

I Attach an accessory switch between the SD connector and earth (refer to illustrations 29.2 to 29.4).

2 Close the accessory switch.

3 Switch on the ignition, and the SD warning light will briefly flash once.

4 Immediately open the accessory switch.

5 The warning light will flash the appropriate code (see the actuator selection code table at the end of this Chapter) and the first component circuit will actuate. Audible operation (typically, clicking or buzzing) of the actuator solenoid or component should be heard.

Warning: When testing the injectors, there is a real danger of filling the cylinders with petrol. If testing is required for more than 1 second, disconnect the fuel pump supply (or remove the fuel pump fuse) before commencing this test.

6 Discontinue the first test, and continue with the next component by closing the accessory switch once more.

7 Wait until the SD warning light briefly flashes once, and then immediately open the accessory switch.

8 The warning light will flash the appropriate code, and the next actuator circuit will function. 9 Repeat the procedure to test each of the other actuators in turn.

10 Turn off the ignition to end the test.

 

Self-Diagnosis with a fault code reader (FCR)

 

Note: During the course of certain test procedures, it is possible for additional fault codes to be generated. Care must be taken that any codes generated during test routines do not mislead diagnosis.

 

All Saab models

I Connect an FCR to the SD connector. Use the FCR for the following purposes, in strict compliance with the FCR manufacturer’s instructions:

a) Retrieving fault codes.

b) Clearing fault codes.

c) Testing actuators.

d) Displaying Datastream.

e) Making adjustments.

2 Codes must always be cleared after componenf testing, or after repairs involving the removal or replacement of an engine management system component.

 

Guide to test procedures

 

I Use an FCR to interrogate the ECM for fault codes, or (where possible) gather codes manually, as described in Sections 3 or 6.

 

Codes stored

2 If one or more fault codes are gathered, refer to the fault code tables at the end of this Chapter to determine their meaning.

3 If several codes are gathered, look for a common factor such as a defective earth return or supply.

4 Refer to the component test procedures in Chapter 4, where you will find a means of testing the majority of components and circuits found in the modern EMS.

5 Once the fault has been repaired, clear the codes and run the engine under various conditions to determine if the problem has ‘cleared.

6 Check the ECM for fault codes once more. Repeat the above procedures where codes are still being stored.

7 Refer to Chapter 3 for more information on how to effectively test the EMS.

 

No codes stored

8 Where a running problem is experienced, but no codes are stored, the fault is outside of the parameters designed into the SD system. Refer to Chapter 3 for more information on how to effectively test the engine management system.

9 If the problem points to a specific component, refer to the test procedures in Chapter 4, where you will find a means of testing the majority of components and circuits found in the modern EMS.

 

Lucas I4CU

Flash! Description

FCR code

13212 Throttle pot sensor (TPS) or TPS circuit

13213 Throttle pot sensor (TPS) or TPS circuit

13214 Coolant temperature sensor (CTS) or CTS circuit

13215 Throttle pot sensor (TPS) or TPS circuit

13221 Airflow sensor (AFS) or AFS circuit

13222 Idle air control

13223 Weak mixture

13224 Rich mixture

13225 Oxygen sensor (OS) or OS circuit

13231 Ignition signal

13233 Electronic control module (ECM) fault

13234 Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) or VSS circuit

13235 No “Drive” signal - automatic transmission or circuit

 

Motronic 2.10.2, 2.8.1

Flash! Description

FCR code

11 Secondary injection or circuit

12 No faults found in the ECM. Proceed with normal diagnostic methods

21 Airflow sensor (AFS) or AFS circuit

31 Air temperature sensor (ATS) or ATS circuit

41 Coolant temperature sensor (CTS) or CTS circuit

51 Throttle pot sensor (TPS) or TPS circuit

61 Oxygen sensor (OS) cylinder 1, 3, 5 or OS circuit

62 Oxygen sensor (OS) cylinder 2, 4, 6 or OS circuit

71 Oxygen sensor (OS) cylinder 1, 3, 5, rich or lean

72 Oxygen sensor (OS) cylinder 2, 4, 6, rich or lean

73 Oxygen sensor (OS) rich or lean

81 Evaporative emission canister purge valve or circuit

91 Electronic control module (ECM)

92 Electronic control module (ECM)

 

Saab Trionic

FCR Description

code

P0105 Manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor or MAP sensor circuit

P0106 Manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor or MAP sensor circuit, signaI low

P0107 Manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor or MAP sensor circuit, signal high

P0108 Manifold absolute pressure (MAP) sensor or MAP sensor circuit

P0110 Air temperature sensor (ATS) or ATS circuit

P0112 Air temperature sensor (ATS) or ATS circuit, signal low

P0113 Air temperature sensor (ATS) or ATS circuit, signal high

P0115 Coolant temperature sensor (CTS) or CTS circuit

P0117 Coolant temperature sensor (CTS) or CTS circuit, signal low

P0118 Coolant temperature sensor (CTS) or CIS circuit, signal high

P0120 Throttle pot sensor (TPS) or TPS circuit

P0121 Throttle pot sensor (TPS) or TPS circuit

P0122 Throttle pot sensor (TPS) or TPS circuit, signal low

P0123 Throttle pot sensor (TPS) or TPS circuit, signal high

P0130 Oxygen sensor (OS) or OS circuit

P0135 Oxygen sensor (OS) or OS circuit

P1130 Oxygen sensor (OS) or OS circuit, current high

P1135 Oxygen sensor (OS) or OS circuit, current low

P0170 Fuel/air mixture or circuit

P0171 Weak mixture

P0172 Rich mixture

P1322 Engine speed (RPM) sensor or circuit

P0325 Knock sensor (KS) or KS circuit

P0335 Engine speed (RPM) sensor or circuit

P0335 Crank angle sensor (CAS) or CAS circuit

P0443 Carbon filter solenoid valve (CFSV) or CFSV circuit

P1443 Carbon filter solenoid valve (CFSV) or CFSV circuit

P1444 Carbon filter solenoid valve (CFSV) or CFSV circuit, current high

P1445 Carbon filter solenoid valve (CFSV) or CFSV circuit, current low

P0500 Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) or VSS circuit

P0501 Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) or VSS circuit

P0502 Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) or VSS circuit, signal low

P0505 Idle speed control valve (ISCV) or ISCV circuit

P1500 Battery voltage

P0605 Electronic control module (ECM)

P1651 Electronic control module (ECM)

P1652 Electronic control module (ECM)

 

Bosch LH 2.4/2.4.1/2.4.2

(flash codes)

Flash Description

code

12111 Oxygen sensor (OS) fault (fuel air mixture on idling)

12112 Oxygen sensor (OS) fault (fuel air mixture engine at cruising speed)

12113 Idle speed control valve (ISCV) adaption fault, pulse ratio too low

12114 Idle speed control valve (ISCV) adaption fault, pulse ratio to high

12211 Battery voltage, less than 10 volts or greater than 16 volts

12212 Throttle switch (IS), idle contacts

12213 Throttle switch (IS), full-load contacts

12214 Temperature sensor signal faulty (below 90°C or above 160°C)

12221 No air mass meter signal

12222 Air conditioning system faulty

12223 Fuel air mixture lean, OS sensor shorting to earth

12224 Fuel air mixture rich, OS sensor shorting to battery voltage

12225 Oxygen sensor (OS) or OS heater fault

12232 Voltage supply to ECM pin 4 is less than 1 volt

12233 Fault in electronic control module (ECM) - read only memory (ROM)

12241 Mixture lean

12242 Hot-wire burn-off function faulty

12243 No signal from vehicle speed sensor

12244 No “Drive” signal (automatic transmission)

12245 Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) function faulty

00000 No faults detected, or all fault codes have been transmitted

 

Bosch LH 2.4 ac&ator selection code table

Note: The actuators will actuate in the following sequence. Listen for an audible sound, or touch the component to determine whether it has been activated

Code Description

No display Fuel pump circuit

12411 Injector circuit

12412 Idle speed control valve (ISCV) circuit

12413 Carbon filter solenoid valve (CFSV) circuit

12421 Automatic transmission (auto) drive signal. The SD light ceases flashing when the gear lever is moved from “D” to “N”

12424 Throttle switch (IS), idle contacts. Slightly open the throttle. The SD light ceases flashing once the throttle moves away from the idle position

12431 Throttle switch (IS), full-load contacts. Fully open the throttle. The SD light ceases flashing as the throttle approaches the fully-open position

 

Bosch LH 2.4/2.4,2 and Saab Direct Ignition (FCR codes)

FCR code FCR code

(permanent) (intermittent) Description

11111 - Reply code for OK

42241 22241 High voltage (1991 -on)

42251 22251 Electronic control module (ECM) pin 4, signal low

42252 22252 Signal low, less than 10 volts

42291 22291 Battery voltage, less than 10 volts/greater than 16 volts

42440 22440 Oxygen sensor (OS) or OS circuit, rich mixture

42441 22441 Rich mixture, idling (1991-on)

42442 22442 Rich mixture, driving (1991-on)

42450 22450 Oxygen sensor (OS) or OS circuit, weak mixture

42451 22451 Weak mixture, idling (1991-on)

42452 22452 Weak mixture, driving (1991-on)

42460 22460 Oxygen sensor (OS) or OS circuit

42491 22491 Idling mixture incorrect

42492 22492 Driving mixture incorrect

44221 24221 Engine RPM signal absent (1991-on)

44261 24261 Vehicle speed sensor (VSS) or VSS circuit (1991-on)

44360 24360 Crank angle sensor (CAS) or CAS circuit

44460 24460 Engine load signal faulty

44660 24660 Pre-ignition fault (knocking or pinking)

44661 24461 Knock sensor (KS) or KS circuit

44662 24462 Combustion, synchronising fault

44671 24671 Pre-ignition signal over 20 seconds

45641 25641 Mass airflow (MAF) sensor or MAF sensor circuit, signal high

45651 25651 Mass airflow (MAF) sensor or MAF sensor circuit, signal low

45691 25691 Mass Airflow (MAF) sensor or MAF sensor circuit

45723 25723 “Drive” signal (automatic transmission)

45771 25771 Throttle pot sensor (IPS) signal or IPS circuit

45772 25772 Throttle pot sensor (IPS) signal or TPS circuit

46221 26221 Coolant temperature sensor (CTS) or CTS circuit, signal low

46271 26271 Coolant temperature sensor (CTS) or CTS circuit, signal high

46391 26391 Exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system or EGR circuit

58121 38121 Mass airflow (MAF) sensor or MAF sensor circuit, bum-off absent

58321 38321 Air conditioning valve function or circuit

58322 38322 Evaporative loss control device (ELCD) valve function or circuit

58371 38371 Injector or injector circuit

58372 38372 Evaporative loss control device (ELCD) valve or circuit

58382 38382 Evaporative loss control device (ELCD) valve short-circuit (1991-on)

60000 - Internal monitoring

60001 - Read only memory (ROM) fault

60002 - Random access memory (RAM) fault

67192 - Electronic control module (ECM), read only memory (ROM)

 

 

Trionic flash codes

 

flashes component correspondingisat codes

2 Manifold absolute pressure sensor p0105, p0106, p0107, p0108

3 Intake air temp sensor p0110, p0112, p0113

4 coolant temp sensor p0115, p0117, p0118

5 throttle position sensor p0120, p0121, p0122, p0123

6 oxygen sensor p0130

7 Air fuel mixture p0170, p0171, p0172

8 Evap valve (ELCD) p0443, p1443, p1444, p1445

 

 

Grüße Balze

Falschluft ?

 

Danke für die Hilfe! War soeben mal beim Bosch-Dienst, um den Fehler auszulesen. Alle Werte sind O.K., auch der angezeigte Ansauglufttemperatursensor (schönes Wort ).

Ist also scheinbar kein Steuerungsproblem. Fehler wurde gelöscht und wird jetzt nicht mehr angezeigt. Motor rubbelt aber noch immer im Lehrlauf. Der Meister sagte es klingt nach Falschluft. Soeben sind aber alle Schläuche erneuert worden. Bei höherer Drehzahl schnurrt und zieht er jedoch wunderbar.

Vielleicht zieht er ja irgendwo Luft am Turbolader. Defekte Druckdose am Wastegate wird jetzt mal erneuert. Kann´s daran liegen? Vielleicht auch Pop-off...? Na mal sehen...

 

Danke und Grüße

 

Vizilo

@Balze

 

Super! Vielen Dank!

 

Da sind doch auch zum Teil die Codes für die T5 gelistet, nach denen Gebhard sucht, für sein OBD2 IF.

Prima Sache!

 

Viele Grüße

Stephan

Das Auslesen bei meinem 9000er gestern ergab als Fehler die Lambdasondenvorwärmung.Der Motor läuft etwas rauer aber kein Leistungsverlust.Der Fehler wurde gelöscht, da wohl nicht so wichtig

Also neue Druckdose ist drin und alles nochmals auf Dichtigkeit geprüft, Schläuche neu etc...

Habe jetzt wirklich die DI im Visier. Die hat 230000...

 

Vizilo

In #3 gibt es ja unter

[9000]Saab Trionic

FCR Description

auch ein paar P1xxx-Codes (OBD, herstellerspezifisch) Leider fehlt z.B. die P1642, mit welcher ich mich gerade herum ärgere.

Habe zwar noch klar & deutlich P0172, aber Lambda sieht so weit wirklich sauber aus.

 

Hatte schon überlegt, ob ich mal das Steuergerät tausche. Aber nach einer längeren Tour über Land war für ein paar Wochen wieder alles fein. Doch jetzt habe ich nach einiger MiniStrecken-Zuckelei wiederden alten Käse.

 

Irgendwo müßte man doch mal die ganzen SAAB-spezifischen OBD-Codes auftreiben können.

Irgendwo müßte man doch mal die ganzen SAAB-spezifischen OBD-Codes auftreiben können.

Hat hierzu denn wirklich niemand einen Ansatz?

Schade!

Hi,

 

ich habe in meiner Werkstatt Software nachgesehen, aber P1642 war nicht dabei.

P0172 ist natürlich beschrieben, als "Adaption. Rich Mixture"

 

Also 25% Adaptionsgrenze überschritten in Richtung zu fettes Gemisch.

 

VG

Stephan

P0172 ist natürlich beschrieben, als "Adaption. Rich Mixture"

Also 25% Adaptionsgrenze überschritten in Richtung zu fettes Gemisch.

Denke, eher nicht 'in Richtung zu fett', sondern anders herum. Meiner Lesart nach wird ein zu fettes Gemisch bemängelt. Dies würde heißen, daß Lambda auch bei Kurzzeit-Trimm von -25% (also max. Abmagerung) noch zu fett war.

 

Könne auch hinkommen. Bin gerade auf Rügen und auf der Hntour heute haben wir auf der A20 mal etwas geschaut. LZ-Trim lag konstant bei Null. Aberder KZ-Trim lag auf Benzin im Mittel bei +5 bis +10% und auf LPG auf -5 bis -!0%. Da kann es natürlich auch mal irgendwann auf -25 gekommen sein. Werde zu Hause LPG mal um 5 bis 8% herunter setzen.

 

Wichtig war mir bei der Überwachung (den Rechner hatte natürlich Frauchen auf dem Beifahrersitz und nicht ich als Fahrer - nur bevor wieder gleich jemand meckert) vor allem auch, was Lambda im OpenLoop macht und ob das Gas bei Vollast reicht. Und ja, sicher dank der dicken Düsen bleibt Lambda schön fett und die iste magert oben nicht ab (Angst vor Loch im Kolben)

 

Was noch interessant war:

Auf Benzin waren auf glatter Strecke max. 170 - 175 möglich, ohne das er in den OpenLoop (Lambda immer fett) ging. Auf LPG waren es über 180 (eher fast 185), wo er noch im normalen Regelbereich war.

Leider haben wir versäumt, uns dazu die 'Last-Prozente' im OBD anzuschauen. Machen wir evtl. Di. auf der Rückfahrt. Aber gemäß der Tatsache, daß die Leistung unter LPG geringer sein sollte, müßte er dort doch auch eher in den OpenLoop gehen. Oder habe ich hier einen Denkfehler?

 

Und auch ja: Check engin kam, nachdem ich gestern noch mal das Steuergerät ab hatte (welche Sicherung wäre das eigentlich???) und die Stecker 'geflutet' habe, heute nicht mehr. Im Herbst 07 hatte ich ja schon mal ein Problem mit P0130 bzw. CE 6* (also Sonde), welches auch nach Fluten des Steckers nie wieder auftrat. Offenbar hat das Maptun-Steuerteil da irgendwie ein paar Kontaktprobleme.

...Fauchen auf dem Beifahrersitz

Hast Du sie gereizt?

Sorry, völlig OT, aber ich konnte nicht widerstehen.

@René

 

Klar, Denkfehler meinerseits

Sollte dann über -25% abgemagert sein.

 

Ich bin gerade am Erstellen der Fehlercode Listen. Dazu später dann mehr.

 

VG

Stephan

Hast Du sie gereizt?

Sorry, völlig OT, aber ich konnte nicht widerstehen.

Du warts schneller... (Freud lässt grüssen)

:-))

Und, fällt jamanden z.B. zu den unterschiedlichen OpenLoop-Punkten auch was sachliches ein?

 

@Stephan: prima! Danke schon mal!

Als Anhang hier die Listen mit Fehlercodes für die Trionic 5 von MY93-98.

Leider sind die Fehlercodes mit P1xxx nicht sehr ausführlich.

Diese Codes lassen sich mit handelsüblichen OBD-2 Scannern (z.B. Interfaces basierend auf den ELM Chips) auslesen.

 

Vielleicht kann man diese Listen und den Beitrag von Balze auf Seite 1 ja in die Knowledge Base verschieben.

 

VG,

Stephan

Super! Die Infos von S4 & 5 habe ich noch nirgendwo gefunden. Ist m.E. wirklich was für die KB

 

Was die Standard-Codes (P0xxx) angeht, sowie spezifische Codes einiger Hersteller (leider eben NICHT SAAB), findet man z.B. hier: http://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/

Super! Die Infos von S4 & 5 habe ich noch nirgendwo gefunden. Ist m.E. wirklich was für die KB

 

Was die Standard-Codes (P0xxx) angeht, sowie spezifische Codes einiger Hersteller (leider eben NICHT SAAB), findet man z.B. hier: http://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/

 

Wird wieder kommen....